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Feedback_2's picture
Missouri
Jan 2008
1 year ago

Hey guys! Haven't been around the site in a little under a year, I've missed it! So much has happened in that time, we've all grown a little...:D

Anyways, it's been that time in my young life where I've been distracted by SOOOO many other things that I forgot the greatest hobby of all: Guitars. I haven't lusted, drooled or begged for a guitar in ages; never even crossed my mind until recently. And I want to fulfill my personal dream of owning a finely-made Fender Jazzmaster. And I think I've found my White Whale...err...PURPLE Whale. Yes. The J. Mascis signature.

After scouring Musicians Friend and piecing together that they've been discontinued, I began to look on eBay. And then I looked at the prices: generally around $600-$1000, depending on owners. Why would a well-made guitar with a standard $1600 guitar be selling at such LOW rates? My explanation: no one wants to pay that much for a guitar like that!

It seems history is repeating itself. When the Jazz's and Jag's were first released, Fender couldn't move enough product because there wasn't a high enough demand for them, one factor, I'm assuming, was price. Then when the great Alternative movement happened and they regained popularity, all those musicians got a top-dollar, well-made guitar and close to nothing. The same thing is happening now.

The Elvis Costello Jazzmaster wasn't around very long was it? No, because while it was a well made instrument, it was too expensive. There's a high demographic in todays young guitarists for offset waist Fenders, but most don't have the bank to buy the MIJ or even the Classic Player series. It feels like Fender may be exploiting the Jazz/Jag's popularity by making high-priced instruments knowing that customers will buy them. To me, as a customer and long-time Fender fan, that just doesn't seem right. :confused:

With some of these facts/statements above, does it at all make you guys mad about the Sonic Youth signatures? Don't get me wrong, SY is my ALL-TIME FAVORITE BAND.....EVER!!!!! And I think it's nice that Fender is recognizing these instruments and players more. But REALLY???? $1500 for a custom color and ONE volume knob??? That seems, oh I don't know....a little, perhapes, CRAZY??? Seems worth more like $1000 to me. :eek:

And I recognize that Fender perhaps had the foresight to see this error and released the Blacktop series. But, IMO, it's not a Jazzmaster if it has a humbucker in it. :(

And Fender, PLEASE reduce the price on the Mustang! For goodness sakes, it's a STUDENT MODEL! :rolleyes:

In conclusion: I think I speak for a lot of guitarists when I say that Fender has made some of the best guitars ever. Some of the most legendary designs no doubt. But I think sales would increase by SIMPLY reducing the prices of the more sought-after "higher-end" models. Make them the original way, no fancy changes or missing pieces "suited for today's players". That's not what I want. I want famous Fender quality from a famous Fender guitar at the trademark Fender price. If not, it seems history will repeat itself and those instruments will end up in the bargain bin at the local pawn shops because no one would buy them when they were issued.

Does anybody agree? Sorry for the long post, I missed you guys! :D

'62 AVRI Jazzmaster

Silicon Mini Fuzz Face-->Germanium 4 Big Muff--> Mooer Pure Boost-->EHX Deluxe Memory Boy-->Boss FRV-1

1968 Fender Bassman; 2x12 Fender cab, Jensen C12n's

Feedback_2's picture
Missouri
Jan 2008
1 year ago

P.S. This wasn't meant as a hate-thread, just a simple musing to make you guys think. :)

'62 AVRI Jazzmaster

Silicon Mini Fuzz Face-->Germanium 4 Big Muff--> Mooer Pure Boost-->EHX Deluxe Memory Boy-->Boss FRV-1

1968 Fender Bassman; 2x12 Fender cab, Jensen C12n's

Uome's picture
The Netherlands
Aug 2004
11 months ago

They discontinued the Costello and the Mascis Jazzmaster? First time I heard it.

I reject reality and substitute my own

mmasonmusic's picture
Los Angeles, CA
Jan 2010
3 years ago

Hey,
I'm a Jazzmaster player.

You can still buy J. Mascis Jazzmasters. I heard from a friend who works at Fender that they many music stores have substatial over-stock on it, so I'm sure you'll be able to find them for awhile.

IMHO, the J. Mascis Jazzmaster doesn't really capture the vibe of his Jazzmasters, nor does it capture the best of J. Mascis's tone. It plays a bit rough, and the purple paint feels like it doesn't breathe. I played it on an EP for a solo. It's very different sounding. I also saw Jay play it at a show for half a song (when one of his 65's strings broke) and once the guitar tech re-strung it he was back onto his 65. I've played a 68 Jazzmaster and there was just this aged beautiful vibe to it. Maybe the best guitar I've ever played.

The Elvis Costello model is actually pretty awesome, that furniture polish finish is epic. As far as it being discontinued Fender doesn't usually keep sig models of this kind active for that long. Same with the really cool Venture models they had.

The two Sonic Youth sig JMs (Lee Ranaldo and Thurston Moore) are also pretty nifty. The Lee Ranldo specifically is very unique. It plays like a Jazzmaster, but it's humbuckers ad a cool vibe. I have always been a fan of Fender full-range humbuckers though.

No matter what you do (unless you buy a vintage one) those guitars require an initial investment to get the Jazzmaster tone. The Seymour Duncan Antiquity II Jazzmaster pick-ups are a nice touch, as are the lollars and the Chris Novaks.

I have a mid-90s Japanese Jazzmaster, as well as a mid-90s Mustang. All with new pick-ups and modifications. They're not perfect guitars, but they have a very iconic tone when you find it.

I'm pretty sure Ahab would have played a Jazzmaster, Jaguar, or Mustang...

Feedback_2's picture
Missouri
Jan 2008
1 year ago

Well I see what you mean about Fender not keeping those models in production. They're good guitars, but it seems like if they were cheaper they would've made more money off of them.

'62 AVRI Jazzmaster

Silicon Mini Fuzz Face-->Germanium 4 Big Muff--> Mooer Pure Boost-->EHX Deluxe Memory Boy-->Boss FRV-1

1968 Fender Bassman; 2x12 Fender cab, Jensen C12n's

jonbye's picture
UK
Apr 2006
3 years ago
Originally Posted by Feedback

And Fender, PLEASE reduce the price on the Mustang! For goodness sakes, it's a STUDENT MODEL! :rolleyes:

Danelectro essentially have with the dead on 67. Some phasing switches on it and you're not far from a 'stang. I predict the Dano will become amazingly collectible amoung alt rockers.

My Rig

"...We should be wasting that space with another discussion about something truly useful, like tits or religion or something......." - Fiveways

mmasonmusic's picture
Los Angeles, CA
Jan 2010
3 years ago
Originally Posted by Feedback

Well I see what you mean about Fender not keeping those models in production. They're good guitars, but it seems like if they were cheaper they would've made more money off of them.

I can assure you that no musical instrument company makes money like Fender does... Fender Musical Instruments Corporation is a huge money making machine. They also own Gretsch, Jackson Guitars, Charvel, Hamer, Tacoma, Guild Guitar Company, SWR Sound Corporation, Brand X, Orpheum, Olympia, Takamine, Ovation, and GTX.

The Fender brand of Fender Musical Instruments Corporation is marketed to create a certain vibe. They are constantly modifying their designs and approach to marketing in order to appear as though they're both iconic and relevant. They have a "tone" and a "look" that most people can identify with just by hearing the name Fender. That is something which very few brands or even bands have done.

Originally Posted by jonbye

Danelectro essentially have with the dead on 67. Some phasing switches on it and you're not far from a 'stang. I predict the Dano will become amazingly collectible amoung alt rockers.

I have a Danelectro Dead on 67, and it is not a Mustang. I have a Mustang too and it is not a Dead on 67. They're similar, but far from the same. The Danelectro Dead on 67 is esentially a Coral Hornet.

Feedback_2's picture
Missouri
Jan 2008
1 year ago
Originally Posted by jonbye

Danelectro essentially have with the dead on 67. Some phasing switches on it and you're not far from a 'stang. I predict the Dano will become amazingly collectible amoung alt rockers.

Wow I may have to look into that, thanks man!

'62 AVRI Jazzmaster

Silicon Mini Fuzz Face-->Germanium 4 Big Muff--> Mooer Pure Boost-->EHX Deluxe Memory Boy-->Boss FRV-1

1968 Fender Bassman; 2x12 Fender cab, Jensen C12n's

Feedback_2's picture
Missouri
Jan 2008
1 year ago
Originally Posted by mmasonmusic

The Fender brand of Fender Musical Instruments Corporation is marketed to create a certain vibe. They are constantly modifying their designs and approach to marketing in order to appear as though they're both iconic and relevant. They have a "tone" and a "look" that most people can identify with just by hearing the name Fender. That is something which very few brands or even bands have done.

I agree with you completely, they sure know how to sell stuff. I was just pointing out that they, like any other company, have made some (what I would call) marketing errors.

'62 AVRI Jazzmaster

Silicon Mini Fuzz Face-->Germanium 4 Big Muff--> Mooer Pure Boost-->EHX Deluxe Memory Boy-->Boss FRV-1

1968 Fender Bassman; 2x12 Fender cab, Jensen C12n's

jonbye's picture
UK
Apr 2006
3 years ago
Originally Posted by mmasonmusic

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I have a Danelectro Dead on 67, and it is not a Mustang. I have a Mustang too and it is not a Dead on 67. They're similar, but far from the same. The Danelectro Dead on 67 is esentially a Coral Hornet.

No, thats understood. But still, its not a bad filler guitar in place - the lipstick tubes are pretty good and the vintage trem is fun. And with some mods you could get it close to a mustang for a lot less money

My Rig

"...We should be wasting that space with another discussion about something truly useful, like tits or religion or something......." - Fiveways

Feedback_2's picture
Missouri
Jan 2008
1 year ago

I just had a quick question: How does the J. Mascis Jazzmaster compare to the Classic Player Jazz?

'62 AVRI Jazzmaster

Silicon Mini Fuzz Face-->Germanium 4 Big Muff--> Mooer Pure Boost-->EHX Deluxe Memory Boy-->Boss FRV-1

1968 Fender Bassman; 2x12 Fender cab, Jensen C12n's