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jhc's picture
Chicago
Jan 2005
5 years ago

Any of you guys put your volume pedal last (or later) in your chain to be able to control your delay's self-oscillation?

There shouldn't be any problem with that, right?

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dawz1978's picture
Mississauga
Feb 2004
10 years ago

Originally posted by jhc
Any of you guys put your volume pedal last (or later) in your chain to be able to control your delay's self-oscillation?

There shouldn't be any problem with that, right?

unless you are using the volume pedal as an expression pedal for your delay, you won't be able to control the oscillation per se...

if you put the volume after the delay, then you can control the volume of the oscillation... so if thats what you're thinking of, then yep it'll work just fine :)

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jhc's picture
Chicago
Jan 2005
5 years ago

Originally posted by dawz1978

if you put the volume after the delay, then you can control the volume of the oscillation... so if thats what you're thinking of, then yep it'll work just fine :)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking- thanks. Looking back, it was a pretty stupidly obvious question ;)

It just seemed that most people put their volume first - guess a broader question might be is there any relative advantages/disadvantages to putting a volume pedal early vs. late in the signal chain.

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Boss TU2
Ernie Ball VP Jr
Vox847 Wah (true-bypass)
Barber Tone Press
Barber Small Fry
Da MOAF
Lovepedal CoT50
Modded Vox Valvetone
Crowther Prunes & Custard
EHX Deluxe Memory Man
EHX Wiggler
Line 6 Verbzilla
(all used variously)
-> Traynor YCV40WR

HumblestPie's picture
Vancouver Island
Nov 2003
9 years ago

Putting it first is basically like replacing the volume knob on the guitar. It's useful for multi-amp setups and such.

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anoren's picture
New York
Mar 2004
7 years ago

I have my volume pedal first to use it as an "expression" pedal for my Fuzz Factory. It can be used to control the gain (go from clean to saturation) and when the FF is self oscillating, it can be used to control the pitch. I also just use it for muting (for tuning) and regular old volume swells.

If I wasn't using the FF, I guess I would probably have it last. If if you want to be able to tame self oscillation (volume wise), it seems like a logical possition.

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DuoSonicII's picture
Indiana, USA
Jan 2005
10 years ago

Originally posted by HumblestPie
Putting it first is basically like replacing the volume knob on the guitar. It's useful for multi-amp setups and such.

What he said. The only thing that I would put before my volume pedal would be an octave pedal (or any other effects that require the strongest signal possible for good tracking). But I like to use my pedal in lieu of using the volume knob, for swells or for turning down the volume a bit for quiet parts. You can use it later in the chain, but like any other pedal it will act differently depending on what is before and after it. I'm not against putting it further down in the chain - experimentation is the key, and it just depends on what you're going after.

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jhc's picture
Chicago
Jan 2005
5 years ago

Yeah, swell are important too (I have a Gibson, cant really do it with my guitar volume knob) - will have to play with it....

Les Pauls and Teles (some real, some fake) ->
Boss TU2
Ernie Ball VP Jr
Vox847 Wah (true-bypass)
Barber Tone Press
Barber Small Fry
Da MOAF
Lovepedal CoT50
Modded Vox Valvetone
Crowther Prunes & Custard
EHX Deluxe Memory Man
EHX Wiggler
Line 6 Verbzilla
(all used variously)
-> Traynor YCV40WR

intorvert's picture
minneapolis
Apr 2004
4 years ago

Make sure you've got the right kind of volume pedal. You need high impedance after your guitar, but low impedance after pedals. Unless you have active pickups. Then you need low all around.

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jhc's picture
Chicago
Jan 2005
5 years ago

Originally posted by intorvert
Make sure you've got the right kind of volume pedal. You need high impedance after your guitar, but low impedance after pedals. Unless you have active pickups. Then you need low all around.

I have an Ernie Ball VP Jr. I tried it both ways, and decided that delayed volume swells were much cooler than the self-oscilation (at least for the particular sone I have in mind).

So the volume pedal is going to stay first in the chain.

Interesting about the impedance - makes perfect sense, although my volume pedal seemed to work after the dealy OK. Was I frying it or something?

Les Pauls and Teles (some real, some fake) ->
Boss TU2
Ernie Ball VP Jr
Vox847 Wah (true-bypass)
Barber Tone Press
Barber Small Fry
Da MOAF
Lovepedal CoT50
Modded Vox Valvetone
Crowther Prunes & Custard
EHX Deluxe Memory Man
EHX Wiggler
Line 6 Verbzilla
(all used variously)
-> Traynor YCV40WR

dawz1978's picture
Mississauga
Feb 2004
10 years ago

Originally posted by jhc
I have an Ernie Ball VP Jr. I tried it both ways, and decided that delayed volume swells were much cooler than the self-oscilation (at least for the particular sone I have in mind).

So the volume pedal is going to stay first in the chain.

Interesting about the impedance - makes perfect sense, although my volume pedal seemed to work after the dealy OK. Was I frying it or something?

I run mine after my gain pedals and before my delays/reverb.... This way I can also swell in gain when needed... works quite well, you may want to try it

my rig
------------

fender mim strat / squier double fat strat -> catalinbread teaser stallion -> ibanez de7 -> proco rat II -> proco rat RI -> behringer fcv100 -> boss ps3 -> ibanez pm7 -> line 6 space chorus -> danelectro tuna melt -> ibanez de7 -> digitech digiverb -> zoom 508 delay -> line 6 dl-4 -> traynor ycv40-wr

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Jelly's picture
Reading - UK
Dec 2004
10 years ago

I have mine at the end of the chain (i have no dirt pedals) so it boosts the amp accordingly...and lets me shut up any noisy pedals at the end of a song.

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