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toma's picture
Cambridge/York, UK
May 2006
2 years ago

Hey, this is slightly unrelated to anything but it only just occurred to me. What do Funk guitarists do about pedal order?
The two major components of Funk guitar (as far as i can see) are auto wah and compression. I dont have an auto wah, but the ones i have tried are all envelope filters (i.e, the harder you pick, the more they wah).

however, a compressor evens out your output, so im assuming that it would kill an auto wah if you put it in front of one (i.e, the compression would mean the envelope filter didnt react to your playing)

so do funk guitarists put auto wah before compression, and therefore, before distortion as well?

i was just wondering.

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Savant's picture
Ft. Lauderdale
Aug 2009
5 years ago

Wah effects always go first in the chain.

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hot_rats!'s picture
richmond, virginia
Oct 2002
2 years ago

running compressor--->auto wah gives it more of a triggered filter effect. whereas auto wah ---> compressor is more expressive with the cutoff frequency. also try putting the compressor into the sidechain on an auto wah like the lovetone meatball for a better triggered filter effect.

Leeroyfunk's picture
Leeds UK
Feb 2006
4 years ago
Originally Posted by Savant

Wah effects always go first in the chain.

No they don't: Pedal order is entirely subjective, what a ridiculous statement.

Plenty of great players put compression before all else, (auto)wah included: Whether they use both simultaneously is a different matter. However, compression tends to sound much better before standard (pedal) wah, I find a compressor after a wah can result in the peak frequency from the wah being boosted significantly, occasionally causing nasty spikes at certain frequencies.

Savant's picture
Ft. Lauderdale
Aug 2009
5 years ago
Originally Posted by Leeroyfunk

No they don't: Pedal order is entirely subjective, what a ridiculous statement.

Plenty of great players put compression before all else, (auto)wah included: Whether they use both simultaneously is a different matter. However, compression tends to sound much better before standard (pedal) wah, I find a compressor after a wah can result in the peak frequency from the wah being boosted significantly, occasionally causing nasty spikes at certain frequencies.

From BossUS.com:

The PW-10 wah, like most wahs, works best if it gets an uneffected signal directly from the guitar. A wah is simply an active tone control with a pedal instead of a knob. It wants to work on the basic tone of your guitar. If it was after the compressor, the boosted signal from the compressor could overdrive the input of the wah, making it sound unpleasantly distorted. And since a compressor is an amp, and a wah boosts certain frequencies, the noise level could get considerably higher before it even gets to the overdrive, where noise can really get to be an issue.

Placing a wah later in the effects chain is ok, but they tend to have a lot of trouble when you go that route. Most people here will probably agree that a wah is best in front of other effects.

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firewalk13's picture
Cleveland, Ohio
Apr 2005
4 years ago
Originally Posted by Savant

From BossUS.com:

Placing a wah later in the effects chain is ok, but they tend to have a lot of trouble when you go that route. Most people here will probably agree that a wah is best in front of other effects.

no not really.

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toma's picture
Cambridge/York, UK
May 2006
2 years ago
Originally Posted by Savant

Wah effects always go first in the chain.

this sounds like a fun idea...

(only kidding) :p

cheers for the info guys, sounds like my (probably brief) interest in funk guitar tones has been sorted out :)

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NoFroBro's picture
Australia
Jan 2004
1 month ago

OK so you don't agree with Savant. Fine. I don't either. Someone else has posted suggesting a reason why they alter a pedal placement. That is what this forum is about. Anyone who is spouting 'holy writ' isn't in the right place. We want the facts and we want reasons. Posting opinions from a manufacturer's web site is a useful aid to the debate but should never be considered as a way to 'carry the day'.

That said, the person who placed the 'dou' tag in I presume a ruse aimed to circumvent the previous approbation for placing a 'douche' tag, needs to either:

Stop doing so of their own volition.

Stop posting here and go where they are less likely to be annoyed by other people's opinions.

Be subject to sanctions for antisocial acts on a friendly forum.

To my content.

As the original poster said the auto wah works as designed in a postion where the maximum use can be made of picking dynamics in triggering the effect. Using it to make other sounds by exploiting this design in other parts of the signal chain is what being creative is all about. Placing one in the wet part of a delay chain with a harsh noise gate setting and playing a really stacato part gives a particularily eerie effect and is only one of the many ways an effect can be used in a manner not originally intended.

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iaresee's picture
Here
Sep 2006
1 year ago
Originally Posted by Savant

Placing a wah later in the effects chain is ok, but they tend to have a lot of trouble when you go that route. Most people here will probably agree that a wah is best in front of other effects.

Most people here will probably tell you to follow your ears. What works best is what sounds best in your rig.

I prefer my wah late in my chain. Definitely after fuzzes. Sometimes even after overdrives. Occasionally I even run it in the F/X loop. It's a far less pronounced effect in these spots. More a subtle filter sweep than quack-and-smack in the face. Which, obviously, would be completely not what you want for funk...so don't put your wah where I put my wah is maybe what I'm trying to say here? :)

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Leeroyfunk's picture
Leeds UK
Feb 2006
4 years ago
Originally Posted by NoFroBro

the person who placed the 'dou' tag in I presume a ruse aimed to circumvent the previous approbation for placing a 'douche' tag, needs to either:

Stop doing so of their own volition.

Stop posting here and go where they are less likely to be annoyed by other people's opinions.

Be subject to sanctions for antisocial acts on a friendly forum.

Agreed. If the moderators can't identify and ban the idiot(s) attaching these tags, couldn't they just disable tags for this forum?

toma's picture
Cambridge/York, UK
May 2006
2 years ago

what is a tag?

also, im pretty sure i read that the Slash wah has the ability to put distortion either before or after wah, tho i have never really looked in to it.

so to sum up.

Place auto wah where you like. But it will react ore like an auto wah is suppost to react pre compressor.

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